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		<title>By: Gary Cymbaluk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Cymbaluk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t give our kids a regular allowance.

We are trying to teach our kids to be entrepreneurial.

So far, they have done things like collect beer and wine bottles from blue boxes, re-sell farm eggs to our neighbours and dog-sit.

We also encourage them to sort any money they have into three piles: first is for giving away, second is for saving and the last one if for spending.

I also make a point of letting my kids know about the organizations/people that we support, showing them our banking statements and letting them about the opportunity costs of our purchasing decisions(we don&#039;t go out to the restaurant every week so that we can enjoy a camping trip in the summer).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t give our kids a regular allowance.</p>
<p>We are trying to teach our kids to be entrepreneurial.</p>
<p>So far, they have done things like collect beer and wine bottles from blue boxes, re-sell farm eggs to our neighbours and dog-sit.</p>
<p>We also encourage them to sort any money they have into three piles: first is for giving away, second is for saving and the last one if for spending.</p>
<p>I also make a point of letting my kids know about the organizations/people that we support, showing them our banking statements and letting them about the opportunity costs of our purchasing decisions(we don&#8217;t go out to the restaurant every week so that we can enjoy a camping trip in the summer).</p>
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		<title>By: stamperitis</title>
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		<dc:creator>stamperitis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 00:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use to give my children the 1 dollar a week per year of life. They had to put 10% into school, 10% gifts, 10% tithes, the rest split between spend now and longer term savings. 

Both boys had to complete their weekly chores to get their allowances. Once they were ten they were to complete without nagging or no allowance. FAIL. Neither would so they were nagged, had to do the chores anyways and lost the allowance.

Fast forward a couple years and oldest gets a job at McDonald&#039;s and is great with his money and categories. Adding some, removing some once he had a girlfriend etc.

A couple more years and son number 2 who has been constantly bailed out by daddy has a job. Mommy has to create the categories including one to pay off debt!  It&#039;s been three years, debt is gone, he is saving for a car but has been known to &#039;steal&#039; from himself! He sells things people have given him and buys &#039;junk food&#039;. groan... Each child has their own personality and it doesn&#039;t always &#039;catch&#039; when you are teaching. My hope is that as he gets older he will finally get it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use to give my children the 1 dollar a week per year of life. They had to put 10% into school, 10% gifts, 10% tithes, the rest split between spend now and longer term savings. </p>
<p>Both boys had to complete their weekly chores to get their allowances. Once they were ten they were to complete without nagging or no allowance. FAIL. Neither would so they were nagged, had to do the chores anyways and lost the allowance.</p>
<p>Fast forward a couple years and oldest gets a job at McDonald&#8217;s and is great with his money and categories. Adding some, removing some once he had a girlfriend etc.</p>
<p>A couple more years and son number 2 who has been constantly bailed out by daddy has a job. Mommy has to create the categories including one to pay off debt!  It&#8217;s been three years, debt is gone, he is saving for a car but has been known to &#8216;steal&#8217; from himself! He sells things people have given him and buys &#8216;junk food&#8217;. groan&#8230; Each child has their own personality and it doesn&#8217;t always &#8216;catch&#8217; when you are teaching. My hope is that as he gets older he will finally get it!</p>
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		<title>By: Randalynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randalynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I just wanted to add that  my son does not equate his chores with allowance but with earning TV time since he does his chores every day and watches TV every day but only earns his allowance once a week.
At this time I prefer this b/c he sees that he has to do his &quot;work&quot; before he can have free time.
Also we plan to freeze his wages for the next several years b/c allowances will get VERY expensive with 3 kids otherwise.
Ie) When our oldest is 15 we would have paid out:
$15/w
$12/w
$10/w
and that equals $148/m.  HOLY SMOKES!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I just wanted to add that  my son does not equate his chores with allowance but with earning TV time since he does his chores every day and watches TV every day but only earns his allowance once a week.<br />
At this time I prefer this b/c he sees that he has to do his &#8220;work&#8221; before he can have free time.<br />
Also we plan to freeze his wages for the next several years b/c allowances will get VERY expensive with 3 kids otherwise.<br />
Ie) When our oldest is 15 we would have paid out:<br />
$15/w<br />
$12/w<br />
$10/w<br />
and that equals $148/m.  HOLY SMOKES!!</p>
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		<title>By: Randalynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randalynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My oldest son is 5 as well.  We started him on an allowance when he was 4 at $4/week.  BUT he was in charge of 4 chores per day that he had to do before he was allowed TV time.  And he was in charge of buying himself treats and toys outside of special occasions.  As well as small gifts for his family at Christmas.

Now he has 5 chores and earns $5 per week. His chores are not too time consuming and are more about good habits then work: Make bed, clean room, brush teeth, brush hair and get himself dressed.  As he gets older we will add harder chores.
I loved introducing the allowance b/c it gave me an immediate response to him when he woould ask for aomething in  a store.
&quot;Mommy I want this.&quot;
&quot;Did you bring your money.&quot;
&quot;No.&quot;
&quot;Then next time you can bring some money and buy it for yourself.&quot;

This is almost always the end of the conversation, and he usually forgets by the time we get home that he even wanted something, lol.

Randalynn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My oldest son is 5 as well.  We started him on an allowance when he was 4 at $4/week.  BUT he was in charge of 4 chores per day that he had to do before he was allowed TV time.  And he was in charge of buying himself treats and toys outside of special occasions.  As well as small gifts for his family at Christmas.</p>
<p>Now he has 5 chores and earns $5 per week. His chores are not too time consuming and are more about good habits then work: Make bed, clean room, brush teeth, brush hair and get himself dressed.  As he gets older we will add harder chores.<br />
I loved introducing the allowance b/c it gave me an immediate response to him when he woould ask for aomething in  a store.<br />
&#8220;Mommy I want this.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Did you bring your money.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;No.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Then next time you can bring some money and buy it for yourself.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is almost always the end of the conversation, and he usually forgets by the time we get home that he even wanted something, lol.</p>
<p>Randalynn</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My children are currently 14 and 18 and have both received allowance since they were 5.  I could claim that this was a brilliant plan on my part to impart financial prowess to them at an early age, but in fact it was a response to my son’s incessant desire for more and more Thomas the Train items.  We just figured it was easier to give a quarter for each year of life and let him save for the trains rather than his constantly asking us for a new one each time we went to the mall. 

In his case it was a huge success.  It took 5 weeks for him to save up and he only ever wanted to go to the mall once every 5 weeks – we paid the rest.  He was never in doubt as to what he wanted to do with his allowance, only which train to buy each time.

When he turned 6 we switched to a dollar per year of life, but now the money had to be divided up into three equal buckets.  One third for saving for university, (he learned in JK that this was necessary to become a palaeontologist) one third for charity which was for our local church, and one third for spending which at that time still meant Thomas the Train.  We have kept with that dollar per year of life ever since. 

His 14 year old sister has gone through a similar allowance process.   In both cases we have emphasized that they each have chores that must be done.  There used to be lists on the fridge that had to be checked off, but now everyone knows their chores and that they are not paid by chore, but that chores must be done.

Several years ago at Christmas my daughter was very disappointed that she did not have the money she had hoped for to buy presents for her older brother and for my wife and myself.  I casually suggested that if she saved a dollar a week, she would have $52 for Christmas next year.  The following week when I doled out the allowance she had a new tin for her money.  I asked what it was for and she proudly announced that it was for next Christmas.  Even since then she has faithfully put that dollar a week aside, and recently she has even topped it up with a percentage of the birthday cash that comes her way.  (As she is a June baby, I am impressed that she could look that far ahead and realize that money saved now will be useful 6 months away.)

In closing, give your kids allowance, discuss money openly and add more detail as time passes.  My parents did it with my brother and I and we have both been very successful in managing our finances.  My son had his first job last summer and saved every single penny for university so I am fairly confident that it is working with my children too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My children are currently 14 and 18 and have both received allowance since they were 5.  I could claim that this was a brilliant plan on my part to impart financial prowess to them at an early age, but in fact it was a response to my son’s incessant desire for more and more Thomas the Train items.  We just figured it was easier to give a quarter for each year of life and let him save for the trains rather than his constantly asking us for a new one each time we went to the mall. </p>
<p>In his case it was a huge success.  It took 5 weeks for him to save up and he only ever wanted to go to the mall once every 5 weeks – we paid the rest.  He was never in doubt as to what he wanted to do with his allowance, only which train to buy each time.</p>
<p>When he turned 6 we switched to a dollar per year of life, but now the money had to be divided up into three equal buckets.  One third for saving for university, (he learned in JK that this was necessary to become a palaeontologist) one third for charity which was for our local church, and one third for spending which at that time still meant Thomas the Train.  We have kept with that dollar per year of life ever since. </p>
<p>His 14 year old sister has gone through a similar allowance process.   In both cases we have emphasized that they each have chores that must be done.  There used to be lists on the fridge that had to be checked off, but now everyone knows their chores and that they are not paid by chore, but that chores must be done.</p>
<p>Several years ago at Christmas my daughter was very disappointed that she did not have the money she had hoped for to buy presents for her older brother and for my wife and myself.  I casually suggested that if she saved a dollar a week, she would have $52 for Christmas next year.  The following week when I doled out the allowance she had a new tin for her money.  I asked what it was for and she proudly announced that it was for next Christmas.  Even since then she has faithfully put that dollar a week aside, and recently she has even topped it up with a percentage of the birthday cash that comes her way.  (As she is a June baby, I am impressed that she could look that far ahead and realize that money saved now will be useful 6 months away.)</p>
<p>In closing, give your kids allowance, discuss money openly and add more detail as time passes.  My parents did it with my brother and I and we have both been very successful in managing our finances.  My son had his first job last summer and saved every single penny for university so I am fairly confident that it is working with my children too.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kids....We did a lot of things with our child, at a very young age. I doubt that he recalls much of it...but I often think that it all had &quot;a positive effect&quot; on who he is today.

What they see us do is perhaps more important than what we tell them they should do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kids&#8230;.We did a lot of things with our child, at a very young age. I doubt that he recalls much of it&#8230;but I often think that it all had &#8220;a positive effect&#8221; on who he is today.</p>
<p>What they see us do is perhaps more important than what we tell them they should do.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and challenging topic!  We&#039;ve tackled this in a progressive manner with our kids over the years.  First, it&#039;s important to clarify values and understand how money fits into that picture, so that kids get the right idea about accumulating, spending, saving and giving.

We tied allowance in with what we termed a &quot;Responsibility Encouragement Program&quot;.  In essence, we focussed on some interests the kids were motivated by (money is only one component) and then setup what became an increasing complex game to encourage them to develop in these areas.  You can check out the details on an old blog post at http://howjo-gang.blogspot.com/2004/07/responsibility-encouragement-program.html.  Basically it consisted of using a base allowance, merit and demerit points, and computer and video time to encourage the kids to participate in a variety of family activities and promote a healthy life balance.

Of course, we started simple and added complexity as the kids grew older.

Currently their all teenagers or older. Now they manage their own little business ventures, and participate in managing the family investments.

Key learning for us.  Know your kids, be flexible to adapt and experiment, be clear about your values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and challenging topic!  We&#8217;ve tackled this in a progressive manner with our kids over the years.  First, it&#8217;s important to clarify values and understand how money fits into that picture, so that kids get the right idea about accumulating, spending, saving and giving.</p>
<p>We tied allowance in with what we termed a &#8220;Responsibility Encouragement Program&#8221;.  In essence, we focussed on some interests the kids were motivated by (money is only one component) and then setup what became an increasing complex game to encourage them to develop in these areas.  You can check out the details on an old blog post at <a href="http://howjo-gang.blogspot.com/2004/07/responsibility-encouragement-program.html" rel="nofollow">http://howjo-gang.blogspot.com/2004/07/responsibility-encouragement-program.html</a>.  Basically it consisted of using a base allowance, merit and demerit points, and computer and video time to encourage the kids to participate in a variety of family activities and promote a healthy life balance.</p>
<p>Of course, we started simple and added complexity as the kids grew older.</p>
<p>Currently their all teenagers or older. Now they manage their own little business ventures, and participate in managing the family investments.</p>
<p>Key learning for us.  Know your kids, be flexible to adapt and experiment, be clear about your values.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a philosophy very similar to Dana&#039;s.

As for the amount of allowance, we feel that the rule-of-thumb of $1/year of age/week is too much.  We give our kids (ages 15 &amp; 12) about half that amount per week.  We&#039;ve created a couple of tight-wads in our kids but they are both surprisingly generous to charities and both of those characteristics make us proud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a philosophy very similar to Dana&#8217;s.</p>
<p>As for the amount of allowance, we feel that the rule-of-thumb of $1/year of age/week is too much.  We give our kids (ages 15 &amp; 12) about half that amount per week.  We&#8217;ve created a couple of tight-wads in our kids but they are both surprisingly generous to charities and both of those characteristics make us proud.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a subject I&#039;ve been struggling with in my head for a while. My oldest is going to be four in a few months, so I figure my wife and I have a little over a year to get it sorted out.

I&#039;m finding it difficult to find a ballance between teaching that work equals money but also teaching to make your money to work for you so you don&#039;t have to work into your old age while at the same time teaching that there is work that has to be done on a regular basis just so you are carrying your own weight. 

I think that what we are going to do is have a set group of tasks that must be done just because everyone needs to be a contributing member of the family, then other things that are extras they can choose to do and depending on what they do in a given week the allowance will vary. 

Beyond that I think we will let them choose how much to &quot;invest&quot; and I will give them maybe 10% on the money they invest and build a plan with them that shows the benifits of investing and how it will change based on how much they choose to invest. 

The worry obviously is that it may all be too much for a five year old to take in. We will give it a try and if is all fails then we will have to revisit it. 

I&#039;d love to hear some opinions and other ideas.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a subject I&#8217;ve been struggling with in my head for a while. My oldest is going to be four in a few months, so I figure my wife and I have a little over a year to get it sorted out.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m finding it difficult to find a ballance between teaching that work equals money but also teaching to make your money to work for you so you don&#8217;t have to work into your old age while at the same time teaching that there is work that has to be done on a regular basis just so you are carrying your own weight. </p>
<p>I think that what we are going to do is have a set group of tasks that must be done just because everyone needs to be a contributing member of the family, then other things that are extras they can choose to do and depending on what they do in a given week the allowance will vary. </p>
<p>Beyond that I think we will let them choose how much to &#8220;invest&#8221; and I will give them maybe 10% on the money they invest and build a plan with them that shows the benifits of investing and how it will change based on how much they choose to invest. </p>
<p>The worry obviously is that it may all be too much for a five year old to take in. We will give it a try and if is all fails then we will have to revisit it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to hear some opinions and other ideas.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Dream</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Dream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana,

Good points.  I will likely make adjustments as a go with respect to what chores should be paid, while others are just expected.  I understand what you are getting at, but I do like the idea of teaching kids about doing work equals money.

I tend to primarily think of allowance as a means to teaching.  It&#039;s all in the lessons you want to give, so each family is going to find what works for them.

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana,</p>
<p>Good points.  I will likely make adjustments as a go with respect to what chores should be paid, while others are just expected.  I understand what you are getting at, but I do like the idea of teaching kids about doing work equals money.</p>
<p>I tend to primarily think of allowance as a means to teaching.  It&#8217;s all in the lessons you want to give, so each family is going to find what works for them.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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