Comments on: Green Spot: Emails and Climate Change http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/2009/12/04/green-spot-emails-and-climate-change/ Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:31:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Alex http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/2009/12/04/green-spot-emails-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-36919 Alex Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:18:31 +0000 http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/?p=1183#comment-36919 Our culture is killing the planet, whether or not global warming is real. Ever since the Fertile Crescent, civilization has used its natural resources up, moved out, and used more. We are now at the end, the most untouched places in the world (probably the PNW in the US and Canada, certain places in South America, etc.) are dying. Our culture will soon be extinct (note: our culture, not necessarily the human race, but maybe), so we can either choose to change our ways/culture and make the crash easy, or we can choose not to and suffer the consequences. Our culture is killing the planet, whether or not global warming is real. Ever since the Fertile Crescent, civilization has used its natural resources up, moved out, and used more. We are now at the end, the most untouched places in the world (probably the PNW in the US and Canada, certain places in South America, etc.) are dying. Our culture will soon be extinct (note: our culture, not necessarily the human race, but maybe), so we can either choose to change our ways/culture and make the crash easy, or we can choose not to and suffer the consequences.

]]> By: Guy Davis http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/2009/12/04/green-spot-emails-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-36867 Guy Davis Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:48:20 +0000 http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/?p=1183#comment-36867 Good one Traciatim, you've convinced me with that single data point from Houston today. Since we're playing, here's another useless statistic: Toronto's snow-free November, the first in 162 years of record-keeping: http://bit.ly/70S2Wj Good one Traciatim, you’ve convinced me with that single data point from Houston today.

Since we’re playing, here’s another useless statistic: Toronto’s snow-free November, the first in 162 years of record-keeping: http://bit.ly/70S2Wj

]]> By: Traciatim http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/2009/12/04/green-spot-emails-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-36864 Traciatim Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:31:02 +0000 http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/?p=1183#comment-36864 Yes Yeroc, I would believe the site that was implicated as colluding to manipulate popular opinion based on manipulated data. . . sure. On a kind of related note, it's currently snowing in Houston. Earliest ever recorded. Must be that CO2 caused global warming. Yes Yeroc, I would believe the site that was implicated as colluding to manipulate popular opinion based on manipulated data. . . sure.

On a kind of related note, it’s currently snowing in Houston. Earliest ever recorded. Must be that CO2 caused global warming.

]]> By: Yeroc http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/2009/12/04/green-spot-emails-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-36863 Yeroc Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:28:16 +0000 http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/?p=1183#comment-36863 A lot of people seem to think that the outcome of this is that there is no climate change. In fact, it looks to me like the whole thing is media spin to make it look like data was being nefariously being manipulated when in fact it most likely wasn't. http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/ has some interesting information that delves into some of the actual details of what was going on with several followup articles with even more details. The sad part of all this is that most people will only read the headlines and say there is no climate change and we should just stop worrying about it when nothing could be further from the truth. Corey A lot of people seem to think that the outcome of this is that there is no climate change. In fact, it looks to me like the whole thing is media spin to make it look like data was being nefariously being manipulated when in fact it most likely wasn’t. http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/ has some interesting information that delves into some of the actual details of what was going on with several followup articles with even more details.

The sad part of all this is that most people will only read the headlines and say there is no climate change and we should just stop worrying about it when nothing could be further from the truth.

Corey

]]> By: Guy Davis http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/2009/12/04/green-spot-emails-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-36862 Guy Davis Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:40:19 +0000 http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/?p=1183#comment-36862 Have kids? How sure are you that C02 isn't a serious risk? Are you willing to bet their future on that? http://bit.ly/7xohTU You're deluding yourself if you think the choice is between funds for adopting more renewable energy (dealing with climage change) vs. cleaning up rivers. The real choice is starting to adopt cleaner energy and better efficiency standards vs. doing nothing while supporting oil company profits. Have kids? How sure are you that C02 isn’t a serious risk? Are you willing to bet their future on that?
http://bit.ly/7xohTU

You’re deluding yourself if you think the choice is between funds for adopting more renewable energy (dealing with climage change) vs. cleaning up rivers. The real choice is starting to adopt cleaner energy and better efficiency standards vs. doing nothing while supporting oil company profits.

]]> By: Caitlin http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/2009/12/04/green-spot-emails-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-36861 Caitlin Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:33:20 +0000 http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/?p=1183#comment-36861 Hrm, odd. The debate on climate change didn't used to just be about CO2. Why not do all of it, though? Reduce <i>any</i> type of pollution that we cause, whether we "believe" it is bad or not. It can't hurt us. I'll be honest: I don't care <i>why</i> people decide to live greener, but I'll always hope that they do. Donate your research dollars to problems you believe in personally. Make the green changes to your life that you feel are right. The rest of us should all do the same. Hrm, odd. The debate on climate change didn’t used to just be about CO2.

Why not do all of it, though? Reduce any type of pollution that we cause, whether we “believe” it is bad or not. It can’t hurt us.

I’ll be honest: I don’t care why people decide to live greener, but I’ll always hope that they do.

Donate your research dollars to problems you believe in personally. Make the green changes to your life that you feel are right. The rest of us should all do the same.

]]> By: Traciatim http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/2009/12/04/green-spot-emails-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-36859 Traciatim Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:59:45 +0000 http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/?p=1183#comment-36859 Caitlin, the debate isn't about polluting or not polluting, we know pollution is bad and need to find better ways to do it less. The debate is about CO2. That's why my question of why not start diverting funds from climate science to real verified problems, like pollution in waterways, potable water for the planet etc. Caitlin, the debate isn’t about polluting or not polluting, we know pollution is bad and need to find better ways to do it less. The debate is about CO2.

That’s why my question of why not start diverting funds from climate science to real verified problems, like pollution in waterways, potable water for the planet etc.

]]> By: Caitlin http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/2009/12/04/green-spot-emails-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-36857 Caitlin Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:54:29 +0000 http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/?p=1183#comment-36857 One question I would ask is this: What does it matter? How does it hurt anyone to stop polluting so much? How does it hurt anyone to recycle? Both side of the argument suck. However, when the options are "keep polluting as much as we do" and "try to reduce that amount", I don't see <i>any</i> reason to have an argument in the first place. One question I would ask is this:
What does it matter? How does it hurt anyone to stop polluting so much? How does it hurt anyone to recycle?

Both side of the argument suck. However, when the options are “keep polluting as much as we do” and “try to reduce that amount”, I don’t see any reason to have an argument in the first place.

]]> By: Traciatim http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/2009/12/04/green-spot-emails-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-36850 Traciatim Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:30:01 +0000 http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/?p=1183#comment-36850 The one question I would ask is Why aren't we diverting money away from climate studies and to verifiable non-fabricated problems? The one question I would ask is Why aren’t we diverting money away from climate studies and to verifiable non-fabricated problems?

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