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	<title>Comments on: Retirement Calculations &#8211; Part II</title>
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		<title>By: Bob Smith</title>
		<link>http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/2009/02/10/retirement-calculations-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-63633</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 17:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are assuming a 4.5 percent return and there is no guarantee on return.</description>
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		<title>By: Canadian Dream: Free at 45 &#187; Blog Archives &#187; The Buy and Hold Forever Fallacy</title>
		<link>http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/2009/02/10/retirement-calculations-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-20499</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Dream: Free at 45 &#187; Blog Archives &#187; The Buy and Hold Forever Fallacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A long time commenter on this blog, Canadian Money, as been bugging me for a bit to do this post.  You can see CM&#8217;s original comment here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Weekly Dividend Investing Roundup - February 14, 2009 &#124; The Dividend Guy Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekly Dividend Investing Roundup - February 14, 2009 &#124; The Dividend Guy Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Retirement calculations - how much [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Canadian Money</title>
		<link>http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/2009/02/10/retirement-calculations-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-19925</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did mean news, in the sense that I was just passing on my forecast. 

Actually I do have a crystal ball of sorts. Sometimes things are quite clear. Other days I wait for the clouds to clear. I won&#039;t go into detail.

My forecasts predict that all US and Canadian indexes will break significantly below their November lows before this bear is over. 

I&#039;m really trying to help out here and I&#039;m not trying to give you a hard time. I hate to see younger people being taken in by the Buy and Hold sales machine.

Be a skeptic...that&#039;s healthy. Your a smart cookie, don&#039;t be fooled by those who only know part of the story. The buy and hold thesis has a fatal flaw.

The BH thesis can only be supported with market historical data that starts about 1956. Or, by using carefully selected data sets. Try applying it from 1929 on-ward or from 1968 onward. I&#039;m not making this up. 

BH only holds water if one ignores the data prior to about 1956. This circumstance is a little like a climate scientist who predicts global warming impacts but ignores select portions of historical data because they don&#039;t support the mathematical model. 

Have you ever looked into what is behind the B&amp;H thesis? It would make a good blog post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did mean news, in the sense that I was just passing on my forecast. </p>
<p>Actually I do have a crystal ball of sorts. Sometimes things are quite clear. Other days I wait for the clouds to clear. I won&#8217;t go into detail.</p>
<p>My forecasts predict that all US and Canadian indexes will break significantly below their November lows before this bear is over. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m really trying to help out here and I&#8217;m not trying to give you a hard time. I hate to see younger people being taken in by the Buy and Hold sales machine.</p>
<p>Be a skeptic&#8230;that&#8217;s healthy. Your a smart cookie, don&#8217;t be fooled by those who only know part of the story. The buy and hold thesis has a fatal flaw.</p>
<p>The BH thesis can only be supported with market historical data that starts about 1956. Or, by using carefully selected data sets. Try applying it from 1929 on-ward or from 1968 onward. I&#8217;m not making this up. </p>
<p>BH only holds water if one ignores the data prior to about 1956. This circumstance is a little like a climate scientist who predicts global warming impacts but ignores select portions of historical data because they don&#8217;t support the mathematical model. </p>
<p>Have you ever looked into what is behind the B&amp;H thesis? It would make a good blog post.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Dream</title>
		<link>http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/2009/02/10/retirement-calculations-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-19921</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Dream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 02:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zeromoney,

Actually the TFSA this year isn&#039;t getting much for &#039;new&#039; money.  Mostly I&#039;m moving over previous investments that produce distribution income.

The longer picture is to keep fixed income and distribution income in this account (and the RRSP) first and then fill it up with dividend paying stocks if I have room.

MM,

Timing is somewhat important.  This low is a good buying window for some investments.  So I&#039;m focusing on that for the short haul.  Then then I switch to paying down the mortgage to remove that completely before I turn 40.  Why?  Flexibility in the long term. If the plan goes better than expected I can pull the plug before 45.  Hence the back and forth.

Derek, 

I was wondering who would get around to noticing that first.  The hole there is on purpose.  You see the actual numbers for paying down the mortgage is actually closer to 3.5 years instead of three, so to balance off the difference I&#039;m leaving the TFSA balance lower than it should be.  It&#039;s a bit overkill, but I&#039;m being more conservative with my calculation this time.

CM,

Bad or good.  I&#039;m guessing anyway so I&#039;m fairly flexible with these numbers as placeholders.  This is a high level simulation and I&#039;m ok with that.

Dave,

Really it&#039;s not a bad idea, but I&#039;m more interested in picking up some longer term assets at depressed prices now.  In the mean time I&#039;m still paying off the mortgage at a good pace and if rates go up in the in term I can always lock in and then kill the beast later.

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zeromoney,</p>
<p>Actually the TFSA this year isn&#8217;t getting much for &#8216;new&#8217; money.  Mostly I&#8217;m moving over previous investments that produce distribution income.</p>
<p>The longer picture is to keep fixed income and distribution income in this account (and the RRSP) first and then fill it up with dividend paying stocks if I have room.</p>
<p>MM,</p>
<p>Timing is somewhat important.  This low is a good buying window for some investments.  So I&#8217;m focusing on that for the short haul.  Then then I switch to paying down the mortgage to remove that completely before I turn 40.  Why?  Flexibility in the long term. If the plan goes better than expected I can pull the plug before 45.  Hence the back and forth.</p>
<p>Derek, </p>
<p>I was wondering who would get around to noticing that first.  The hole there is on purpose.  You see the actual numbers for paying down the mortgage is actually closer to 3.5 years instead of three, so to balance off the difference I&#8217;m leaving the TFSA balance lower than it should be.  It&#8217;s a bit overkill, but I&#8217;m being more conservative with my calculation this time.</p>
<p>CM,</p>
<p>Bad or good.  I&#8217;m guessing anyway so I&#8217;m fairly flexible with these numbers as placeholders.  This is a high level simulation and I&#8217;m ok with that.</p>
<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Really it&#8217;s not a bad idea, but I&#8217;m more interested in picking up some longer term assets at depressed prices now.  In the mean time I&#8217;m still paying off the mortgage at a good pace and if rates go up in the in term I can always lock in and then kill the beast later.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The TFSA is nice, but I would be more inclined to pay down the mortgage now when rates are low because depending on what you read many economists are expecting inflation to start kicking in over the next year or so and then rates will start going up again.  I even read, now this is a few months ago, one guy saying that he expects rates to be 7 - 10% in a 3 to 4 year time frame.

I know its all a crap shoot because no one knows where we are going, but I figure I will take advantage as much as possible to pay off my mortgage while my variable rate is low.  My TFSA can wait.

Of course I am one of those people adverse to debt, so this strategy makes me sleep better at might.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The TFSA is nice, but I would be more inclined to pay down the mortgage now when rates are low because depending on what you read many economists are expecting inflation to start kicking in over the next year or so and then rates will start going up again.  I even read, now this is a few months ago, one guy saying that he expects rates to be 7 &#8211; 10% in a 3 to 4 year time frame.</p>
<p>I know its all a crap shoot because no one knows where we are going, but I figure I will take advantage as much as possible to pay off my mortgage while my variable rate is low.  My TFSA can wait.</p>
<p>Of course I am one of those people adverse to debt, so this strategy makes me sleep better at might.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offense Canadian Money, but you close off your comment with this phrase:

&quot;Wish I had better news&quot;

Now are you suggesting you have a crystal ball? If you do, please forward me your contact info as I may need your services periodically ;)

Maybe you mean:

&quot;Wish I had a better forecast&quot;

Implying you are delivering the news is rather presumptuous. Don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense Canadian Money, but you close off your comment with this phrase:</p>
<p>&#8220;Wish I had better news&#8221;</p>
<p>Now are you suggesting you have a crystal ball? If you do, please forward me your contact info as I may need your services periodically <img src='http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Maybe you mean:</p>
<p>&#8220;Wish I had a better forecast&#8221;</p>
<p>Implying you are delivering the news is rather presumptuous. Don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Money</title>
		<link>http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/2009/02/10/retirement-calculations-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-19906</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to drop in with bad news but there is a real possibility that if you subscribe to the buy and hold thesis, at this point in time, the RRSP numbers may be a lot lower than projected.

We may be just starting this bear market, a correction of a longer-term bull market (~81 years) that began back at the end of the 1929 crash (1932). It may even have started earlier but that is somewhat academic.

We may be entering, either a much deeper bear than we have seen to date, one with a very long recovrey time, or a messy sideways affair, one that may also go for many years. 

See the 1929 - 1932 and 1968 - 1982 time periods for examples. This one has the potential to be worse than either of these examples. In fact...it must be somewhat worse.  

Next milestone to watch for...a break below Nov. lows for all indexes in US and Canada. When this occurs is uncertain. Still way too much bullishness out there. 

Wish I had better news.

CM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to drop in with bad news but there is a real possibility that if you subscribe to the buy and hold thesis, at this point in time, the RRSP numbers may be a lot lower than projected.</p>
<p>We may be just starting this bear market, a correction of a longer-term bull market (~81 years) that began back at the end of the 1929 crash (1932). It may even have started earlier but that is somewhat academic.</p>
<p>We may be entering, either a much deeper bear than we have seen to date, one with a very long recovrey time, or a messy sideways affair, one that may also go for many years. </p>
<p>See the 1929 &#8211; 1932 and 1968 &#8211; 1982 time periods for examples. This one has the potential to be worse than either of these examples. In fact&#8230;it must be somewhat worse.  </p>
<p>Next milestone to watch for&#8230;a break below Nov. lows for all indexes in US and Canada. When this occurs is uncertain. Still way too much bullishness out there. </p>
<p>Wish I had better news.</p>
<p>CM</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the extra room in the TFSA that builds up during the three year you don&#039;t add?  You would have an extra $30000 in contribution room available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the extra room in the TFSA that builds up during the three year you don&#8217;t add?  You would have an extra $30000 in contribution room available.</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious why you are maxing out the TFSAs for four years, then focusing on the mortgage, and then back to maxing the TFSAs - why did you decide on this strategy as opposed to dividing the money and making contributions to the TFSAs and attacking the mortgage at the same time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious why you are maxing out the TFSAs for four years, then focusing on the mortgage, and then back to maxing the TFSAs &#8211; why did you decide on this strategy as opposed to dividing the money and making contributions to the TFSAs and attacking the mortgage at the same time?</p>
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