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		<title>By: Lukas-Kaas</title>
		<link>http://blog.canadian-dream-free-at-45.com/2008/08/12/could-my-house-blow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-30434</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukas-Kaas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea, but will this work over the long run?</description>
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		<title>By: Pacific</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pacific</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion, just where I am at with the selling a house because I think they are overpriced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion, just where I am at with the selling a house because I think they are overpriced.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarlock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle,

&quot;I think it’s naive when people recommend you sell and rent for a period of time. Can you really find a good substitute for your house for 1/2 the costs (ie. desired location, condition, etc)? And is it worth your time, legal fees, and taxes?&quot;

With these super inflated real estate prices?  Absolutely.

Nice house on the same street as my house, very similar layout (slightly larger), large corner lot, whole house rents for $1,400 per month.  If I sold my house and moved in there, it would be a slight upgrade for my current house.

That house on the open market would sell for $379,000.  25 am at 6% is a monthly payment of $2,425, $1,850+ for interest alone.  Add to that property taxes (almost $200/mo), repairs/maintenance (on a 35 year old home, a good $300-$500/mo) and other expenses and that puts it at $2,300-$2,500 per month (and I&#039;d argue more, houses are EXPENSIVE to own!).  Granted, you&#039;d put a down payment on that house, lowering your monthly payment, but then you lose the opportunity cost of your down payment money being invested elsewhere.

So the family living there is spending about $1,000 less per month than they would if they had bought the same house.

Right now, renting is the more economical choice by far.  Either rents will continue to drive upwards or housing prices will continue to decline.  20%-30% is certainly within the realm of possibility... Canada&#039;s market always follows the US.  And no, this time really isn&#039;t magically different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle,</p>
<p>&#8220;I think it’s naive when people recommend you sell and rent for a period of time. Can you really find a good substitute for your house for 1/2 the costs (ie. desired location, condition, etc)? And is it worth your time, legal fees, and taxes?&#8221;</p>
<p>With these super inflated real estate prices?  Absolutely.</p>
<p>Nice house on the same street as my house, very similar layout (slightly larger), large corner lot, whole house rents for $1,400 per month.  If I sold my house and moved in there, it would be a slight upgrade for my current house.</p>
<p>That house on the open market would sell for $379,000.  25 am at 6% is a monthly payment of $2,425, $1,850+ for interest alone.  Add to that property taxes (almost $200/mo), repairs/maintenance (on a 35 year old home, a good $300-$500/mo) and other expenses and that puts it at $2,300-$2,500 per month (and I&#8217;d argue more, houses are EXPENSIVE to own!).  Granted, you&#8217;d put a down payment on that house, lowering your monthly payment, but then you lose the opportunity cost of your down payment money being invested elsewhere.</p>
<p>So the family living there is spending about $1,000 less per month than they would if they had bought the same house.</p>
<p>Right now, renting is the more economical choice by far.  Either rents will continue to drive upwards or housing prices will continue to decline.  20%-30% is certainly within the realm of possibility&#8230; Canada&#8217;s market always follows the US.  And no, this time really isn&#8217;t magically different.</p>
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		<title>By: SK Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>SK Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also from SK.  I sold my house 2.5 years ago (due to illness). I was going to get myself well and then buy another house or condo. Then the market went crazy, and I was priced out. (Plus, the rental market is really tight, so I couldn&#039;t find a decent apartment eithor). I have been really upset about my housing situation (or lack thereof).

So for me it would be a good thing if housing prices dropped. My sister has been scaring/telling me that there will be increased inventory, but that prices will remain stable, and maybe continue to slowly increase.  However, I have started to see Price Reduced signs.

Several months ago there was a news programme called Saskaboom. It indicated that people from New York and Florida came in and bought up a lot of real estate. So it wasn&#039;t local or relocating people buying property. It was people buying and holding that helped to drive the prices up, speculators I guess you would call them. I thought this was interesting. 

So I guess I will just have to wait, see what happens and keep my fingers crossed. Wish me luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also from SK.  I sold my house 2.5 years ago (due to illness). I was going to get myself well and then buy another house or condo. Then the market went crazy, and I was priced out. (Plus, the rental market is really tight, so I couldn&#8217;t find a decent apartment eithor). I have been really upset about my housing situation (or lack thereof).</p>
<p>So for me it would be a good thing if housing prices dropped. My sister has been scaring/telling me that there will be increased inventory, but that prices will remain stable, and maybe continue to slowly increase.  However, I have started to see Price Reduced signs.</p>
<p>Several months ago there was a news programme called Saskaboom. It indicated that people from New York and Florida came in and bought up a lot of real estate. So it wasn&#8217;t local or relocating people buying property. It was people buying and holding that helped to drive the prices up, speculators I guess you would call them. I thought this was interesting. </p>
<p>So I guess I will just have to wait, see what happens and keep my fingers crossed. Wish me luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Truth or Talk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth or Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a good article in the press a couple of days about the merrill lynch&#039;s economists&#039; views on the market.  This was the first time I&#039;ve heard an expert admit that affordability is worse than in 1989. Note that he uses housing prices / income instead of the more popular mortgage payments/income which has made things seem less bubblicious. But with those idiot 40-year mortgages do you really want to be betting on interest rates always being lower than that 1989 peak.

In my own analysis, I&#039;ve listed a number of ways in which people try to convince themselves that things will be hunky dory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a good article in the press a couple of days about the merrill lynch&#8217;s economists&#8217; views on the market.  This was the first time I&#8217;ve heard an expert admit that affordability is worse than in 1989. Note that he uses housing prices / income instead of the more popular mortgage payments/income which has made things seem less bubblicious. But with those idiot 40-year mortgages do you really want to be betting on interest rates always being lower than that 1989 peak.</p>
<p>In my own analysis, I&#8217;ve listed a number of ways in which people try to convince themselves that things will be hunky dory.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Dream</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Dream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cico,

Nice summary.  That just about cover it.  I could tell you some truly funny stories about denial and listing prices here.

Christine,

Actually I was more referring to be even in the ball park of Edmonton, Calgary or Winnipeg.  I&#039;m not saying Regina and Saskatoon are equal to these cities, but we should at least be in the ball park rather than down in the sewer for price.

O, by the way, most companies couldn&#039;t pay me enough to live in a larger city.  I&#039;ve done it and hated the traffic with a passion.

TS- I love living in Regina.  It has its  issues, like high property tax and cold winters, but overall I find everything I like/need/want in the city.

Additionally it&#039;s not that I won&#039;t sell my home.  It is just I need a damn good reason to do it like a very good career move to another city.

Interesting debate everyone.

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cico,</p>
<p>Nice summary.  That just about cover it.  I could tell you some truly funny stories about denial and listing prices here.</p>
<p>Christine,</p>
<p>Actually I was more referring to be even in the ball park of Edmonton, Calgary or Winnipeg.  I&#8217;m not saying Regina and Saskatoon are equal to these cities, but we should at least be in the ball park rather than down in the sewer for price.</p>
<p>O, by the way, most companies couldn&#8217;t pay me enough to live in a larger city.  I&#8217;ve done it and hated the traffic with a passion.</p>
<p>TS- I love living in Regina.  It has its  issues, like high property tax and cold winters, but overall I find everything I like/need/want in the city.</p>
<p>Additionally it&#8217;s not that I won&#8217;t sell my home.  It is just I need a damn good reason to do it like a very good career move to another city.</p>
<p>Interesting debate everyone.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: Cico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greed, fear &amp; Denial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greed, fear &amp; Denial.</p>
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		<title>By: dc</title>
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		<dc:creator>dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TS - I won&#039;t deny that your math makes it look enticing.  But the downside of being wrong and finding out that house prices didn&#039;t drop as much as you thought, or worse, actually started creeping back up is unsettling to me.  Remember that many of the western Canadian markets that took off did so rather quickly.  

20 or 30% drop is a pretty dramatic decrease.  I would think that a correction is housing prices is already factored into current pricing in some of the markets that got overheated.

I tend to be a bit more conservative, so I won&#039;t pitch my wife on the idea that we should sell our house and live in a UHAUL until we can buy it back cheaper!  Our house is our home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TS &#8211; I won&#8217;t deny that your math makes it look enticing.  But the downside of being wrong and finding out that house prices didn&#8217;t drop as much as you thought, or worse, actually started creeping back up is unsettling to me.  Remember that many of the western Canadian markets that took off did so rather quickly.  </p>
<p>20 or 30% drop is a pretty dramatic decrease.  I would think that a correction is housing prices is already factored into current pricing in some of the markets that got overheated.</p>
<p>I tend to be a bit more conservative, so I won&#8217;t pitch my wife on the idea that we should sell our house and live in a UHAUL until we can buy it back cheaper!  Our house is our home.</p>
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		<title>By: Transcendental Success</title>
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		<dc:creator>Transcendental Success</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dc:  You forgot to include gains on the proceeds and savings of interest.  If you park 87K for a year making 4% then you make $3500 from that so you now have 90K.  If prices drop by 30%, instead of 12.5% (remember, he was using 50%) then the same house is worth $280.  You&#039;ve just made $120K minus fees of 13K = over 105K.  If only 20% then the profit is 80K-13K=65+K.

Double check the math as I have to catch a train, but it&#039;s big dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dc:  You forgot to include gains on the proceeds and savings of interest.  If you park 87K for a year making 4% then you make $3500 from that so you now have 90K.  If prices drop by 30%, instead of 12.5% (remember, he was using 50%) then the same house is worth $280.  You&#8217;ve just made $120K minus fees of 13K = over 105K.  If only 20% then the profit is 80K-13K=65+K.</p>
<p>Double check the math as I have to catch a train, but it&#8217;s big dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s naive when people recommend you sell and rent for a period of time.  Can you really find a good substitute for your house for 1/2 the costs (ie. desired location, condition, etc)?  And is it worth your time, legal fees, and taxes?

If you&#039;re convinced the housing market will bust maybe there&#039;s a derivative you can buy instead of moving.  In hindsight you could have shorted US home builder stocks or regional banks with subprime mortgages.  Neither have perfect correlation to house prices but would have been a decent hedge.

Not sure how you would do this in Canada either, maybe there&#039;s a REIT you could take advantage of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s naive when people recommend you sell and rent for a period of time.  Can you really find a good substitute for your house for 1/2 the costs (ie. desired location, condition, etc)?  And is it worth your time, legal fees, and taxes?</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re convinced the housing market will bust maybe there&#8217;s a derivative you can buy instead of moving.  In hindsight you could have shorted US home builder stocks or regional banks with subprime mortgages.  Neither have perfect correlation to house prices but would have been a decent hedge.</p>
<p>Not sure how you would do this in Canada either, maybe there&#8217;s a REIT you could take advantage of.</p>
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